ROLLING OUT OF VIRGINIA

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It really is a hard task proving one’s ancestry back to Virginia. As many Carolinians say of their family, ours has been here since dirt. In other words, they go back to a time prior to destructive storms and courthouse fires to the days when records have been lost or the government was not in place to effectively record the lives of its citizens. As for our Thomas family, we do have believed branches reaching back to Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties in southeast Virginia. Some even believe we go back to Jamestown though that idea is in no way supportable.

In this post I want to look at the period in time when families rolled out of Virginia to the fertile and less governmentally restrictive lands of Carolina. I’ll start to look at records here in North Carolina and not so much at those in Virginia. I can look at each and every Thomas family making the move, but for now, will offer a broad overview of a few well-researched lines believed to be connected to our narrow migratory path.

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The first record for the Thomas family in North Carolina is found in deed 1-57 Chowan, 22 Nov 1704, from John Thomas “of Nancymond” Co. VA to Coll. Thomas Pollock of Chowan. Being 208 1/3 acres on the west side of Chowan river “taken up by John Lawrence decd., the sd. John Thomas having a good right and title of the sd. land by right of Mary, my now wife, daughter of ye aforesaid John Lawrence.”
Of interest, Col. Thomas Pollock was a merchant, the wealthiest man in North Carolina, a Colonial Governor, and the person charged with executing the Tuscarora Indian Wars of 1713-1717. Thomas Pollock lived on Salmon Creek, opposite Eden on the Chowan River. Pollock was unscrupulous in business with it being said he would even jail people for not agreeing to sell them land.
From records in Isle of Wight VA, we know John Thomas married Susannah. She was  both the daughter of John Portis and widow of John Frizell. We know Susannah died early as on 22 Nov 1704, John Thomas, of Nansemond County, Virginia, deeded to Col. Thomas Pollock of Chowan Precinct in North Carolina, the aforementioned 208 1/3 acres on the west side of Chowan River. Being part of 625 acres patented by John Lawrence dec’d, the land was conveyed by John Thomas on September 25, 1663 “by right of Mary my now wife, daughter of ye aforesd. Jon. Lawrence.” From this deed we know that Susannah died and that John Thomas married second the daughter of John Lawrence. And marking the passing of John Thomas, on 16 Oct 1713, Mary Thomas, widow, of the Upper Parish of Nansemond County, sold to John Lawrence, Sr., 100 acres in the Lower Parish Isle of Wight County. This land from a patent of 530 acres to John Lawrence deceased on June 5, 1678, lying “upon maine Blackwater” and bequeathed to her by her said father in his will dated 2 Jan, 1696.

Virginia records clearly connect John Thomas to Pagan Creek along the James River to Black Water River. And, records in North Carolina now connect the same person to land on the west side of Chowan River. Note that the Black Water River rises in Virginia and becomes the Chowan River in North Carolina. It’s easy to imagine a move down the river and John Thomas’ owning of land in North Carolina.

John Thomas and second wife Mary Lawrence are believed to have had a son John Thomas. Representing either John Thomas the elder, or his son John, or even a grandson of same name; a John Thomas appears numerous times as living in the area of Wiccacon Creek in northern Bertie, now Northampton County NC. In the map above, (the yellow arrows) reflect this migration from Pagan Creek, to Blackwater River, and then down the river to the areas of Wiccacon west of the Chowan.

Relating to a John Thomas, son of John Thomas and second wife Mary Lawrence “of the Upper Parish of Nansemond County”, John Thomas held onto holdings in Virginia until on 20 Sep 1736. Following the directive of his grandfather John Lawrence as outlined in his last will and testament, John Thomas deeded 100 acres east of Blakwater to John Lawrence, Jr. of the Lower Parish of Isle of Wight County. Knowing John Thomas the elder had died, this must be his son. The land was “bequeathed to daughter Mary Thomas by John Lawrence, Sr.” It is believed that John Thomas (the younger) moved to now Edgecombe County where his life as founder of Toisnot Church is well documented in Baptist histories (red star on map above).

The yellow “A” below provides a closer look at the area of settlement along the Wiccacon Creek. Also in that area at about the same time, there are records for William Thomas, Phillip Thomas, Lazarus Thomas and even a Joseph Thomas who all were all somehow related as close as children or grandchildren of John Thomas and his first wife Susannah Portis. Some of their descendants also moved to Edgecombe (red star above). There’s also a John Giles Thomas in early Wake County, (green star above) who some believe is also from these families.

Joseph Thomas, son of John Thomas and Susannah Portis took a different route to North Carolina. As discussed in earlier posts, Joseph first appears at Oropeak Swamp on the state line. Marked above by (a green arrow), Joseph moved to the Cashie River which runs south and eastward of the Wiccacon. It empties into the Roanoke near it’s confluence with the Chowan. Some land and court records locate this Joseph Thomas as living more northerly along the Kashie Swamp and therefore closer to other Thomas family (green B below). Some records locate the family more southerly, being closer to the Tuscarora Indian Villages (green C below). So, exactly where did Joseph settle in Bertie? That’s an important question as understanding its answer will impact believed interactions with nearby Indians during a seriously volatile time.  Also, was John Thomas’ original 1704 land on the western side of Chowan River located closer to family in northern Bertie or was it situated further south nearer to Joseph’s land? This was all very early and to put it into context, 1704 was just a few years following John Lawson’s  1701 expedition into the Carolina backwoods. It also predated the Tuscarora Wars by almost ten years! What would life have been like back then!!!???

 

Joseph Thomas, son of John Thomas and Susannah Portis, died and left a last will and testament in the 1730’s. His son Joseph lived in southern Bertie and died ca. 1758 per the probation of his last will and testament. In the instrument, Joseph Thomas (the younger) names yet another in the family called Joseph Thomas who is believed to have sold land in the late 1760’s before moving to now Wake County NC (green star above). I’ve found absolutely no record sealing the deal, but timing and some of the surrounding names in Wake County loosely link Joseph back to Bertie.

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Over the months to come I’ll look more closely at land, court records and individual families in hopes of putting meat to the bones in this puzzling mystery of who we once were. At this point we have a large group of THOMAS with matching DNA from family descendants in Anson, Union, Stanly, Moore, Lee, Chatham Counties. We yet have any solid matches or even participants from other lines in Edgecombe, Bertie, or Northampton counties. If you are a THOMAS from the other lines, please get Y-tested and join us at the THOMAS familytreedna.com Group.  The Y-test tells you nothing about your percentages of makeup such as Irish vs Spanish etc. It is the tool we use in building paternal lines connecting us back through many generations. There’s also a Thomas FB Group set up as a place to advance discussion.
Please! …get in touch if you have any thoughts pertaining to our storyline. I can be reached at geothos @bellsouth.net

7 thoughts on “ROLLING OUT OF VIRGINIA

  1. Carol Hardy Bryan

    I am compiling a history of Little Stevens Creek Baptist Church in Edgefield County, SC. Rev. John Thomas was our first pastor in 1789-1793. He and several sons owned property here before migrating on over into Wilkes [now Hancock] County, GA. He had a huge family by two wives and came here from Edgecombe [now Wilson] County, NC. This seems to be a place missed by family historians as they track this preacher. He had land holdings in Georgia and SC at the same time. It seems that the men in that family had a knack for finding rich farm land. Sons here were Josiah, Jeremiah, and Roberds/Roberts
    Carol Hardy Bryan,

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    1. geothos Post author

      Carol, thank you very much for the information and hope the history of the church will be findable online when completed. You never know where and how what we know can be influenced! The Thomas Family of Edgecombe may or may not go back to the same family that was earlier just a bit to the east in Bertie. Both are very old and large families making me wonder why there is not a greater spread of the DNA tests that will prove the various lines. I’d love to see some of the people interacting with Rev. John in SC …will surely take a look at the records there. Please let me know any thing I can help with from this end!

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      1. Carol Hardy Bryan

        One curious thing. In RECORDS OF THE MORAVIANS IN NORTH CAROLINA, Vol. I, p. 230 is the following account: “that Baptist ministers were traveling through and preaching in this section as early as 1760. In March of that year Elder John Thomas of Toisnot Baptist Church (in the present county of Wilson) while on his way from Bethabara to Abbott’s Creek was killed by the Cherokee Indians who a few days before had reached the Yadkin.” Hum? No record of Rev. John Thomas of any generation with a 1760 death date. Do you know anything about this mystery?

  2. Carol Hardy Bryan

    An aside. The name Roberds is Welsh. This may be an important clue for Thomas researchers. It is that name that assured me that our pastor Rev. John Thomas was indeed from the Toisnot clan.

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  3. geothos Post author

    Will keep that in mind about Roberds. Also, there were FRee People of Color going back to the 1600’s VA who went by name of Roberts/Robirds. There was of course John Sr. and Jr. Seems Sr. died around the time of your mentioning. I know Spangenburg?, the agent who set up Wachovia toured areas around old Edgecombe in hopes of locating a place for the church to settle.The church also, and later, sent agents east to set up business connections along the coast. Could John Thomas have been apart of all this? The timing of the tour to Abbot’s Creek jibes and seems he would be part of the family originating in Edgecombe. Good find and you’ve got to love Adelaid Frye’s work!

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  4. CRMaps

    Hello,
    I know zip about genealogy research, but I’m trying to track down info about one of the 8 billion John Thomas’s that have roamed this earth. An elderly acquaintance has a 1753 land grant issued to John Thomas for land that is currently in Yadkin County, NC, on the west bank of the Yadkin River. The land was in Rowan County when the grant was issued (1753) and in Anson County when the survey was made (1751). It is probably not more than 15 miles from where a John Thomas was killed by Indians in 1760, as referenced in a prior comment in this thread. I do not know if the land grantee was a Baptist minister or if he was the same John Thomas that was killed in 1760. Any information about the Yadkin River John Thomas or the subsequent land ownership would be appreciated. Thank you.

    p.s. page 230 of the Moravian Records cited in a prior reply does not mention anything about John Thomas being from Toisnot Baptist Church. It states, “On [3/20/1760], word came that John Thomas, a Baptist minister, had been killed between the Wach and the Ens, on the road [from Bethabara?] to Ebits Creek.” Bethabara is just 7 miles east of the John Thomas land on the Yadkin.
    The earlier comment in this thread was quoting from History of North Carolina Baptists, Vol. 2, which seems to have embellished a quote from the Records of the Moravians without providing any evidence of the validity of that embellishment.

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    1. geothos Post author

      I’m replying totally from the hip as I really have never looked at this. However, John Thomas of Toisnot served during the time that there was a great divide between what was called regular and particular Baptists. Being a regular, John Thomas of Toisnot was a servant of a faction of the church that would be dominated by the other side. Because of that, the history for the Regular Churches was all but void from the 1750’s-1790 when the two sides came together again. During that time, John Thomas is known to have met with or communicated with the likes of Schubel Stearns of Sandy Creek Baptist in Randolph County. Also at that time, Abbotts Creek Baptist was formed on the Yadkin. It’s possible John paid visits related to the founding of Abbotts Creek Church. Other than that I’d look back to Virginia. I’ve honestly not looked at the land records for the area your friend is researching. And, if he has not yet had his YDNA tested via familytreedna, then I’d say that is a proper early step that may help to connect his line with others. The autosomal DNA testing through Ancestry cannot make that happen for such early inquiries. Good Luck!

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